From: jota@iguana.inesc.pt (Joao Pedro Martins)

I've been experiencing some wicked time-dilation lately. Off drugs. Well,
"big D" drugs, anyway...(a friend and I got completely _stoned_ off of this
really good chocolate the other day, and spent about two hours getting
through these 30 minutes...)
@LERI= Murali (existential boredom)

Have faith, and Be Strong...like water.
@LERI= Murali (Re: a little bit of sorrow)

hey, what is the 20s slump?  i'm 24 (hard enough to believe!). i just woke
up. up til now, its been dreamtime, no slumps there. now, i'm awake, just
drank a couple gallons of coffee and i and the world are wired and ready to
go.

come get me dammit!!
@LERI= juxlus

juxlus:
> come get me dammit!!

   Hang on...lemme get on my white coat and extra jacket...
@LERI= Murali

:)>> hey hey, wait a minute. *I* haven't read it. Shall I add it to my ever
:)>> growing queue? Reading _Middlemarch_ right now. Similiar?  ;)
:)> 
:)> I wouldn't know. I haven't read _Middlemarch_. If you haven't read _TAZ_,
:)> you are REALLY living in an igloo...
:) 
:) now now now, if *you* haven't read _Middlemarch_, *you're* living in an
:) igloo...
:) 
:) and i admit it: i haven't read _Illuminatus!_ either, nyah nyah!  
:) 
:) juxlus.

hey now, I live in an igloo and I have read the illuminatus! trilogy put
that one in your pipe and smoke it.
@LERI= silence (Re: your mail)

Everything in the universe, and not, is art.
@LERI= levi (because it is art! you silly goose)

>a terminal disease, this life.

	Heh...the only "terminal disease" I'm worried about right now
is my eyes falling out of their sockets after staring at one for forty
hours a week...
@LERI= Murali (Re: existential boredom)

> Everything in the universe, and not, is art.

Yeah, yeah, everything's just a big ol' TV show, too, and everything's just
a page in a big ol' book somewhere, and how do I know that the color green
looks the same to me as it does to you, gimme a break, define your terms,
and quit hitting the artists on the head with a brick everytime you see a
beautiful sunset, all right?
@LERI= Scotto (re: because it is art! you silly goose (fwd))

we are the net.
@FC= pmckee (Re: tapping into the infi*NET*)

On Thu, 1 Jul 1993, Trond Buland wrote:
> Therefore: Get hurt (when you have to), adapt, and live! But don't
> leave!

man i dig this guy
@FC= pmckee (Re: shakeup)

[..] for me, the net is a way of life. Sometimes, when I am talking to
someone, I even think "Oh, I need to type a ;) so they know I am being
sarcastic"  Then I realize that I am in rl.
@FC= ChristJ (net.religion & you)

Virtual Culture (or what we have of it today) moves so fast that we die and
are reborn in the period of a couple months or a couple of days. Six months
of net.life, with a week in the forest to recover, then back to the fast
lane. That's how I live. That's how I die.
@FC= Indigo (Re: gathering the tribes)

>	SOME information "wants" to be free.
>	Some would prefer to stay locked away, thankyouverymuch.

	Um... okay, how about this. Information _does_ "want" to be free,
much in the way that a gas does "want" to expand to fill an available
volume. If you've got a canister of pressurized nerve gas sitting in the
center of a classroom full of kids, well... sure, it still _wants_ to expand
to fill the room, but _should_ it ? Hmm...
@ACP= Murali (Re: information wants to be free ?)

um, this is just something I thought might be
funny/fun-to-do-if-you-have-no-plans-for-the-rest-of-your-life-cause-the-feds
will-catch-you idea......

ok, I am going to go see pres clinton speak about the economy at city hall
and I want to, in the middle of a speech, stand up in a tree, shout,
pointing towards the president, "HE'S GOT A GUN!!!!!!" and then drop out of
the tree and try your damndest to avoid the secret service. sounds dumb, I
know.....
@LERI= silence (stoned idea)

Wisdom includes the ability to be consistently aware. To listen to onesSelf,
and others. To have courage. To love. A wise person is able to speak hir
mind between and on the lines, without hatred, fear, or pity. A wise person
thinks.  A wise person does. A wise person does not crave power. A wise
person is always changing, getting older and younger. A wise person does not
dwell on the past, but learns from it. A wise person does not dwell on the
future, but is aware of possibilities. A wise person knows that there is
nothing to be done.
@LERI= deb of the jungle (Re: leri won't let go)

In the real world you have to be fake. Piss on reality.
@LERI= silverado (Re: leri won't let go)

I am going insane. Buddha is running out my ears.
@LERI= Amitaba (Re: your mail)

life is life. humans are not better than animals because they can think.
animals are not better than machines because they can feel. 

however, machines, are not

alive.
yes, something to think about. 
@LERI= deb of the jungle (Re: difrerences notes)

[..] artists, as a class, have a history of being poor survivors. They also
tend to be frequently ill of health, weak, socially disassociated, poor.
Shouldn't Natural Selection have filtered out artists a long time ago? Yet,
the products of these low survivors are among the most revered and treasured
works in the annals of man.
@LERI= Cosmic Bob (Hatched Egg (re: Art, Etc))

> "Art is communication which stimulates ideas and feelings and images that
> exceed the art's literal interpretation."

Art can be *used* for communication but that isn't what it *is*. Literally,
art means skill. Art means to create. When you paint, you create, creating
art. When you look at a painting, you think, you analyse, you create,
creating art.
@LERI= Brian (Re: Hatched Egg (re: Art, Etc))

> Suppose you asked a sample of people to
> draw you a picture of a wheatfield; each picture would be different,
> each would have a different style, and some might even be art. It seems
> to me that style is a reflection of the person who makes the drawing, a
> product of their inate abilities, their experience, and their current
> state. It says something very personal about the person. Every one of
>those pictures will have its' own style, but only some will be art. Why?

Why would only some be art? Who decides? You? Any drawing is art, some may
be more *artistic* than others, but they are all art.
@LERI= Brian (Re: Hatched Egg (re: Art, Etc))

Brian writes: 
> Why do you insist on defining art as a medium of communication. Art can
> be *used* for communication but that isn't what it *is*.  

Sure about that? Communication is a process of sending a message between 2
people, from one to another. The artist and the viewer/recipient (I'll use
viewer, I like the sound better). To me, a solo dance, with no one watching,
may be artistic, but it is only art if someone else can see it.
@LERI= Gerold Firl (Re: Hatched Egg (re: Art, Etc))

> however, machines, are not
> 
> alive.
> yes, something to think about. 

true true, but let's also remember that there is no reason to see *life* as
a requirement for *intelligence*.
@LERI= juxlus (Re: difrerences notes)

"art" is often used as a substitute for "objectively good." What I am
proposing is to throw out the use of the word to describe an object's state,
and use it as verb. An action. As in, "I art. Sometimes I art so much people
have to leave the room."
@LERI= Silverado (Re: not INTENTIONS again...)

It is not the case that there must be an artist to have art; or rather, not
as we conventionally label "artist". If I look at a tree, and decide it is
art, voila, it is art, for me, for my own reasons. Who is the artist? I am.
Did I need to create the tree? No. How was the tree then "magically"
transubstantiated into art? The tree *alone* isn't; the tree and my
perception of it combine to form the art.
@LERI= Scotto (Re: Art and Etc. (fwd))

Art is an adjective, and it isn't an absolute.
@LERI= Scotto (Re: not INTENTIONS again ... (fwd))

On Fri, 4 Jun 1993, Mitchell Porter wrote:
> So there is no mainstream?

Yes and no. Every social group has some parameters in which they behave,
dress, speak. The people of these groups stay within the parameters in order
to remain within the group. Whether this is out of fear or love, I don't
know; both, probably. I would define the group with the most money and power
to be the mainstream, because many emulate that gruops norms to assimilate
that gruops status. Within this group, all may be screamingly abnormal in
the comfort of their own homes. Joe likes kinky sex. Barb smokes dope. Jason
is actually (gasp) nice to the women he dates. etc...etc.
@LERI= Silverado (Re: leri won't let go)

But machines will never struggle to survive, the way i define them. When
"machines" struggle to survive, they are machines no longer.
@LERI= deb of the jungle (Re: difrerences notes)

A question like "what is art?" implies that "art" has some objective meaning.
Since most of us agree that that isn't so (any dissenters here?), why are we
arguing about this? To avoid the battle, maybe the question should be, "what
does art mean to you?"
@LERI= Silverado (Art)

Science is the most data-driven of all human occupations. 
@LERI= gerold (Re: spiritualism, science (was art))

I've always felt that the reason people invented all these gods and spirits
was to allay their fear of death. People want to survive, even more than
they want to be right. Could it be that all this noise about spirits is just
a charade to try and reassure ourselves that we will not really die when we
die?
@LERI= gerold (Re: spiritualism, science (was art))

My favorite scenario for the afterlife is this:  You "die" and then find
yourself standing somewhere with your head in a machine, you pull it out and
a group of your friends ask you, "How was it?  What does that one do?  Is it
worth the quarter?  You weren't in there very long, what is it?"

Speechless, you motion to the game machine and say, "Try it. It's a trip!"
@LERI= Richard Ginn (spiritualism, science (was art)/what happens when u die...)

> Do you think it's easy to get addicted to computer networks ?

I AM NOT ADDICTED ! I AM *NOT* ADDICTED ! I A-M *-N-O-T-* Ay Dee Dee Eye Cee
Tee Eee Dee BANG

[..]

> If you could say/add anything that you want, do it now... (like, what
> misrepresentations have you seen/heard of, and are sick of seeing/hearing,
> and would like to correct...)

I'm sick of hearing about "OH DEAR! All these child molestors are using
computers to get at our children! We've got to make sure nobody can get to
our children!" and all around me I see parents around me let their children
run wild outside w/o any supervision. Tell me, who's more dangerous to the
child, the molestor on the computer network, or the parent who lets the
child run amock outside w/o any supervision?
@ACP= Simon Janes

>What do you BELIEVE happens at death?

"i" go back to the place where "i" was before "i" was born. chew on that. ;)
@LERI= andy (ajk) (Re: spiritualism, science, death)

>What do you BELIEVE happens at death?

"i" go back to the place where "i" was before "i" was born. chew on that. ;)
@LERI= andy (ajk) (Re: spiritualism, science, death)

        Ever stand on the edge of a cliff, or next to a subway track?  Ever
hear the little voice that says "Why not just step forward?" Ever hold a
baby animal in your hand and hear a little voice that says "just squeeze"?
@LERI= Murali (June 10, 1993. My Anniversary)

Cosmic Bob seems to be saying that our beliefs are like dust in our eyes
distorting what it is that we really experience. I say that what we believe
DETERMINES what we can experience and that the only way to judge the value
of a set of beliefs is by the quality of the world of experience those
beliefs make possible.
@LERI= michael roberts (Re: autohypnosis)

It's good to be happy.

Sit back and smile.
@LERI= Murali (The sun's coming up. Graduation is over.)

beauty is in the eye of the beholder
@LERI= silence (Re: not INTENTIONS again...)

Snail mail. Paper mail. Whatever you may call it.
It's so damn strange.
@LERI= Sameer (snail mail)

Don't ask me... I just lurk here
@LERI= Padraig (unsubscribe)

I point my finger. I say, "tree." I have created a tree. Voila.

The supreme arrogance of modernity is to assume that "tree" is the object,
or that any signifier and its current signified are inexoribly and
"naturally" linked. There *IS* no such thing as a tree. Only we, in our
arrogance, would assume so. Yet, this arrogance drives our lives; so be it.

Take nations, for example. "America" does not exist, which is what gives it
such extrordinary rhetorical power over those who think of themselves as
"Americans" [members of an ultimately fictional community]. Yet, "fictional"
is not bad, it simply is. And nothing is not fictional.

Even that explanation.
@LERI= pATRICK jACKSON (statues)

But I want to be MIDI compatible.
@ACP= Chris DuPuis (Re: Cybernetics....)

ronin (teleny) writes:
>let's have all the women really wimpy and predictable...Things like that.)

	Yeah, dontcha just hate all them wimpy women going around
ripping peoples' eyes out and shit?  I _hate_ when they do that...
@ACP= Murali (Re: Wild Peaks)

fender wrote:
: well, i may be stoopid (i am) but what exactly is a cyberpunk? is it just
: another name for a modem geek? (sorry if that offended anyone..) what do
: they believe in? what music do they listen to? i have absolutely no clue!
: please help!
:                     Ascii stupid question, get a stupid ANSI.

That should read "get a LOT of ANSI". Brace yourself you have just
entered one of the great cyclic arguments of our time.
@ACP= Kev (Re: HELP!)

	Searle's main argument (as I understand it) is that _no_ digital
computer can produce "consciousness". I agree that most (probably all) the
computers that exist today are incapable of simulating or producing
consciousness, due to lack of computing power/parallelization/whatever.
However, I firmly believe that, given the correct architecture and softare
(plus whatever else is necessary), it _is_ possible to create a "conscious"
"machine". I don't belive that there is anything "mystical" about the human
brain that makes it capable of consciousness - that is, it's just a machine,
an incredibly complex and wonderful machine, but a machine nonetheless.
Maybe not now, maybe not in ten years, maybe not even in a thousand years,
but _eventually_ I think it will be possible to create something with
abilities equal to or greater than the bowl of oatmeal in our skulls.
@ACP= Murali (Re: Turing Test (was: Will Of Nature #1))

The difference between the Republicans and the Democrats? The Republicans
are out to screw the vast majority of the populace in order to benefit the
tiny minority of persons who put them in office, and the Democrats are out
to benefit the tiny minority of persons who put them in office in order to
screw the vast majority of the populace.
@ACP= Loki Trickster (MTV, News? NOT! Its P)

idol@well (William Broad) writes:
> I've been cruising through alt.cyberpunk and feel compelled to respond to
> the number of inaccuracies about me and my new album CYBERPUNK. First of
> all, I would like someone to come forward and tell me exactly when I
> called MYSELF a cyberpunk. [...]

Well, you didn't call yourself Cyberpunk, but when someone gets called
something, and they stick their chest out and do the Monty Python bit ("Wink
wink, nudge nudge") and grin a lot, it does tend to lead to certain
conclusions...
@ACP= Niko Mikkanen (Re: Billy Idol...cyberpunk?..what the fuck?!)

Just think what would happen if EVERY american refused, for just one year,
to pay income taxes!
@ACP= Jim Graham (Re: NBC "Big Brother" special)

If in fact the NSA lacks the resources to de-crypt civilian
conversations, then what have we been spending all this money for ?
@CUD= The.Advocate@ano.nymo.us (About the Clipper Proposal)

On Sat, 12 Jun 1993, silence wrote:
> [..] I don't quite see how things that are related
> are the same thing, I am related to my mother, but I am certainly NOT my
> mother (for this i am grateful)...

But you and your mother are two interconnected pieces in the larger puzzle.
Where does the distinction between you and your environment end?  Certainly
not at the boundary of your skin, because everything you have sensed and
felt has left an indelible mark in you. These things come from somewhere
else, are a part of something else. And all these events are moments in the
Event. Finite things are a continuum of infinite things.
@LERI= silverado (Re: wo/men and the infinite)

Remember that *feeling* implies that you are *feeling something and
responding to it*, like an ice cream cone on a hot, sweaty, lazy July day
with the sound of music drifting through the park; or the scent and vibrant
touch of your lover that sets you on fire; or a sudden painful spasm of
angst that catches you unawares, and causes knuckles to whiten, blood
pressure to pound, jaw to tense and mind to race...
@LERI= Jim Hawtree (Re: your mail)

[..] there's a quote I saw recently, it goes something like this...

In English you can pronounce a word without knowing what it means, but in
Chinese you can know what a word means without knowing how to pronounce it.

Food for thought.
@LERI= Murali (quote from unetnews)

mwark :
>There is no 'centre' of taste and culture [..]

*** ACTION: .rez bats his eyelashes innocently...

why ... *surely* we all gnow, don't we... 

my DEARIES!!  the *N--E--T* is the centre of Taste & Culture...
@LERI= "free agent .rez"

caution is generally always a good idea when grepping uncharted territory.
@LERI= Mark Poole (Re: *feeling*)

i had a dream in which i was on a road whose signs read "Internet" with
curvy-snaked arrows. But i didnt ever get anywhere no matter how fast i
went, so i wound up standing on the crossroads.
@LERI= DEB OF THE JUNGLE (Re: Dialogue on existence, I)

By the way, I'm now a publicly-accepted drug dealer. I sell hundreds of
dollars worth of tobacco every week from a stash worth thousands. I'm
surrounded by so much tobacco I get sick to my stomach from breathing the
fumes near the slowly decaying organic matter. It's like sitting beside a
neatly packaged compost pile for eight hours per day. I think I'm a
contact-only addict already. Sad. I'd rather sell pot over the counter.
@LERI= Rraby (Hi)

In any case, I'd like to ask that when you come into contact with a jackel
in a t-shirt, or some barnyard fowl in a suit, try to look inside of them
and see if anyone is home. An unpleasant request, I realise, but it may be
important.
@LERI= gerold (human (?) garbage)

Seer:
> What is love?

You know chocolate ? Same thing.
@LERI= Murali (Wow, nettrip!)

It will be very interesting to have a metaphysical discussion with a
conscious machine, but before we get to that point, lets see if we can get
one that can order a hamburger, and maybe crack a joke in the process. I
think that if we can get that far, the rest of the way won't be too
difficult.
@LERI= gerold (Re: solipsism again (was consciousness))

I might just be too stoned, so please don't flame me ok?
@LERI= silence (Re: evolution (was art))

after careful consideration, i have determined that TETRIS is the most
addictive drug known to man.
@LERI= "free agent .rez" (WARNING)
 
"free agent .rez" :
>after careful consideration, i have determined that TETRIS is the most
>addictive drug known to man.

	Hee. Have you started getting the "Tetris Dreams" yet?  Where,
whenever you close your eyes, you _see_ the blocks falling? In advanced
stages, TDs appear all around you with your eyes _open_... you see the
falling blocks in everything around you...that's when I quit, lo these many
years ago...:-)
@LERI= Murali (RE: WARNING)

To become enlightened is to fully apprehend the human condition.
@LERI= mark (urgen) (Re: enlightenment- eh?)

Its this incredible need to define very precisely all terms that turns me
off. Is it even possible ? Don't ask me in what ways I think, i'll
infinitely recurse in a second.
@LERI= juxlus

[..] humans are so fucked up that you are virtually assured an infinite
trip.
@LERI= mark (Re: enlightenment- eh?)

Aren't you curious about why the universe exists ?
@LERI= gerold (Re: dark matter)

On Wed, 23 Jun 1993, free agent .rez wrote:
> after careful consideration, i have determined that TETRIS is the most
> addictive drug known to man.

You too, huh?  Goddamn...I hear its carcinogenic.

> i am, of course, still trying to analyze it in terms of the qabbalah and
> wave-shift haxagrams of the i ching...  ;)

neato.  I'm trying a more zen approach.  Soon I'm getting out the blindfolds.
@LERI= silverado (Re: WARNING)

when i went for my peace corps interview, i met my recruiter for the first
time; we hit it off really well. she's 67 years old, and spent the last two
years in paraguay teaching home ec skills. now she lives in new york city in
a brownstone with three hispanic families. she's the only "white" in the
house. she told me that if it wasn't for her peace corps experience, she
doesn't think she could ever have imagined herself in such a situation.
"but, after spending two years in a country where i was the true minority,"
she told me, "i realized that they're people, just like me. what was i
afraid of?" i got up and hugged her. and, of course, her words were echoing
in my ears during my conversation with the crack-dealing pimp in denver.
"we're people, just like you."
@LERI= andy/ajk (re: human (?) garbage)

Emotive feelings is a matter of **physical hardware interfacing massively
with the outside real world**, not number crunching. We got it, cats got it,
computers ain't got it, and they are as suited for it as a round boulder is
suited for catching mosquitoes on the fly like the swallows darting around
the pond outside. Round boulders are great for other things, though, like
crunching brazil nuts, which swallows are really bad at. And digital
computers are great for other things, too, like boolean-based number
crunching.

Someday there will be artificial hardware that will acquire a respectable
amount of consciousness. This will happen *after* computer scientists take
all of the knowledge and hardware used for von-neumann digital boolean logic
computers, make a large, neat pile of it, douse it in gasoline and torch it
and go off in a completely different direction. I think I know how this
could be done. (But digital? No way. Not even in principle. That would be
like attempting to make a boulder that would fly around and catch mosquitoes
by making the boulder progressively bigger and heavier until it can fly and
swoop like a bird! Wrong direction to take for the task.)
@LERI= Jim Hawtree

A memetic attractor is the difference between two contexts in which a meme
resonates as it traverses the gap between them.
@LERI= Willard (Re: memetic attractors (?))

blinking cursor is saying to me
why can't you write by hand anymore?
you know you enjoy the hand of others
and the curve of letters.
this "ascii" is so biting...
...and boring.

wishing is an easy way to fill idle time
but it leads me always to the same place
sadness and rejection
and, in bordeom, i look out
and everything i see withers...
...and is a waste.
@LERI= juxlus (boredom)

You are an archer. Your target stands before you. To strike the target, you
have a choice of two possible methods: you aim and let fly, or you can
reason your way through it. Measure the wind speed. Measure the distance.
Measure weight of the arrow, the diameter of the target. With equations and
diagrams, you could figure out the proper direction to point the bow, the
proper strength with which to pull the string.

The question becomes, which method do you trust ?
@LERI= silverado (the answer)

[..] does RL have bandwidth? 
@LERI= Willard (Re: (fwd) what is leri?)

note: if there are any et's listening out there, you have an open invitation
to drop in. On this planet, it's usually considered polite to call ahead,
but if you can't, that's ok too. Hope to see you soon.
@LERI= gerold (Re: ALIEN ABDUCTION)

>Gene's don't lie. Memes do. 

I could make a real good argument that a virus is a gene that is "lying".
@LERI= Brian (Re: memetic attractors (?))

>mwark:
> The resonance of things slightly out of tune. (With
> all due respect to rez who originated this resonance metaphor, which
> i've made independent use of). 

hey, memes are public domain, as it were. knock yerself out. :)
@LERI= "free agent .rez" 

A bum walked up to me, with his hand extended. He had a rough look to him,
dirty, unshaven, like he hadn't slept in a few days... but his voice was,
for the most part, smooth and caring, as if he was talking to a child who
just scraped his knee. He said to me, in a almost pleasent way, "Hey, buddy,
could you spare some social change?"
	I looked at my shoes as I walked by, muttering, "sorry man" or
something like that. I went home a diffrent way.
@LERI= Seer (community)

i'm feeling random today.
@LERI= Seer (community)

On Thu, 1 Jul 1993, Seer wrote:
> what is it really?  

Networks of neurons firing at 40 hertz.
@LERI= silverado (Re: consciousness)

[..] I was involved in the _American Psycho_ debates here [..] On the
reciept of a complaint, the censorship board had to assess it. They said it
had to be put out in a plastic wrapper and not sold to minors.

In other words the censorship board and the press between them created a
meme which said in  effect: "_American Psycho_ is a bad book which might be
bad for badass psychos to read and especially for impressionable young minds
to resonante to. So if you're in either of those categories, BUY NOW!!!"
@LERI= Willard (Re: shoo/ee)

Once Bach played a song that he had just written and a person asked him what
the song meant. In reply, he played the song again.
@LERI= Saint R0mulus (re: writing fiction/music)

[..] did you know that fetus' spend about 70% of their sleep time in REM
state ? Heres a better question for you... what the hell are they dreaming
about ???
@LERI= ALYSOUN (Re: consciousness)

>>>> I read silverado's request for net transferable enlightenment techniques.
>
> Not me! Not me! It was Mitch! He did it... he was the one!

Woops. I stand corrected.

BAD Dwayne. No biscuit.
@LERI= Dwayne (Re: pHractal enlightenment)

> Q: if leri is not a community, then what is it?

Um, a mob?
@LERI= Dwayne

I've decided that consciousness does not operate at 40 hertz, but at 42.
Hopefully this will clear things up.
@LERI= silverado (abduction stuff)

andy pounds randomly on the keyboard and comes up with
|
| I think a better question is "will the people in cyberspace realize
| they are the media and have the same capability of influencing
| people as 'the media'.  and that the more the people of cyberspace
| segregate themselves from 'the media', the more power they give 'the
| media', and the more powerless they make themselves."

we're all media producers.
@FC= freeside (Re: Globe article)

i wonder if our tv's of the future will be fully integrated multimedia
machines with flat-panel color screens, multi-tasking, you.name.it, etc...
.....and yes the latest in pentium technology.....    :)
@FC= pmckee (Re: And cartoons too!)

I'm a firm believer in technology being able to keep pace with any stupid
corners we as a race might paint ourselves into.
@FC= Aaron Dickey (Re: Powering the future)

As far as goals go, I don't have that goal. The way I see it, I am going to
die at some point, and then I will cease. Being an atheist, I dont put any
faith in an afterlife, so I think that I should have as much fun as possible
while I'm here, to put it bluntly. I don't plan on having children, because
I think that mankind is eventually going to kill itself if the sun doesn't
nova first, so perpetuation of the race is useless, despite the outcry of
your human instincts to the contrary. So the future I am concerned with is
the future I will live in.

So, dammit, I'm having fun now, and I plan to continue to do so! =)
@FC= Raun D Nohavitza (Re: The Revolution, or lack thereof)

oops, i just realized, this is flame bait for discussing the merits and
drawbacks to socialism and capitalism, communism, free-will, all that crap.
damn.
@FC= ahawks (Re: The Revolution, or lack thereof)

ahawks:
> "the revolution will not be noticed"

"the revolution will not be available from authorized dealers. rather, it
will be distributed through mass market channels and direct-mail sales, in
a set of twelve squeeze tube dispensers, in order to reach a wider consumer
base."
@FC= Sebastian Hassinger (Re: The Revolution, or lack thereof)

> What i can't figure out is, howcome my mac desktop is scrupulously
> neat and tidy and the rest of my flat is a great sprawling mess of
> books, newspapers, magazines, videos, cds, all in, uh, clumps?

It is prob. your love for technology....... I bet your coffee maker is
pretty clean too :)
@FC= Richard Martin (Re: FWD>MacWarezzzz....)

People have been complaining on this list because they haven't been
receiving their usual high daily dose of entertainment. The cast, it would
seem, is in a bit of a slump. Like any tv program that fails to jangle the
audiences nerves, it will get turned off for one that does. One could say it
is little more than just another form of entertainment.
@FC= rgardner (Consumer Nightmare On End Street?)

even Computer Scientists stay alive despite thier Nutritional habits ;)
@LERI= DEB OF THE JUNGLE (artists as poor survivors)

I'm going crazy
My world is hazy
Brain rot
Cry not
Smoke pot
Laugh a lot
@LERI= silence

ah. i've figured out what i've been trying to say all these months.  I've
been so close to the edge, here, and feeling like there's sumpin i ought to
be saying, and now i know what it is:


shhhhh.


feel much better now, thank you.
btw, can a shub-genius trip without the drugs _&_ without the net?
@LERI= DEB OF THE JUNGLE (README. Important.)

DagK writes:
> > >So here's an idea I havn't thought about, but which I'd like to throw
> > >in for you to kick about: evolution has a "memory", embodied in
> > >the physical features and behaviours of organisms that survive.
> > >Can the PROCESS of evolution, and the interaction of organisms
> > >with their environment, be considered aware?

It's an interesting thought.

Gaia swishes her robe as she finishes a golden apple with a florish. Her
brows pucker slightly as she puts a bejewelled finger to her lips - "Hmm,
pack ice in the Bering sea... 1.6% increase in glaciation... mean
temperature down .8 degrees celsius... yes. An ice age." She turns to one of
the darwinelves "Put hair on all my elephants!"

%^)
@LERI= = geroldf (re:consciousness/Gaia)

andy asks:
>Bring up the age-old question, do we ever act out of altruism?  I act for
>the good of others at times, even when it hurts me, in exchange for the
>friendship and closeness I *enjoy*.  I do what i enjoy, but i can fool
>myself into thinking i act out of a giving sort of love.  No, its lust all
>the way.  :(

Somethin wrong with lust?

%^)
@LERI= gerold (Re: altruism)

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